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US To Suspend Syria Diplomacy With Russia, Prepares „Military Options“

by Tyler Durden

Sep 29, 2016 3:36 PM

 

In the most dramatic diplomatic escalation involving the Syrian conflict in the past years, yesterday John Kerry issued an ultimatum to Russia, in which he warned his colleague Lavrov to stop bombing Aleppo or else the US would suspend all cooperation and diplomacy with Russia.

24 hours later, this appears to be precisely what is about to take place, leading to an even greater geopolitical shock in Syria. According to Retuers, the United States is expected to tell Russia on Thursday it is suspending their diplomatic engagement on Syria following the Russian-backed Syrian government’s intense attacks on Aleppo, U.S. officials said on condition of anonymity.

„We are on the verge of suspending the discussion because it is irrational in the context of the kind of bombing taking place to be sitting there trying to take things seriously,“ Kerry told an audience in Washington.

 

„It is one of those moments where we are going to have to pursue other alternatives,“ he added.

Why now and what happens next? According to US officials, the Obama administration is now considering tougher responses to the Russian-backed Syrian government assault on Aleppo, including military options. According to Reuters, the new discussions were being held at „staff level,“ and have yet to produce any recommendations to President Barack Obama, who has resisted ordering military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the country’s multi-sided civil war.

„The president has asked all of the agencies to put forward options, some familiar, some new, that we are very actively reviewing,“ Blinken said. „When we are able to work through these in the days ahead we’ll have an opportunity to come back and talk about them in detail.“

However, now that diplomacy with Russia is set to end, this will give the greenlight for Obama to send in US troops in Syria, with Putin certain to respond appropriately, in what will be the biggest military escalation in the Syrian proxy war in its five and a half year history.

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hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:29 PM

 

How dare Russia bomb ISIS in Syria!

 

Looney hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:30 PM

Here’s an interesting statement issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense:

“We’ve intercepted multiple communication between the members of the US-led Coalition in Syria about a false-flag event being planned  –  shutting down an American plane over Syria and blaming it again on Russia and Syria.

Upon the Syrian Government’s request and in accordance with International Laws, to prevent such a provocation we are withdrawing from the De-confliction Agreement signed on October 22, 2015 and imposing a ban on all flights in Syria’s airspace, thereby establishing a No-Fly Zone (NFZ).

The NFZ will be rigorously enforced – any aircraft, including but not limited to planes, helicopters, and drones, entering the Syrian sovereign airspace without prior approval of the Syrian Government will be shut down without warning.

The No-Fly Zone becomes effective immediately”.

 

Well… I made it up, but this turn of events could bring the Syrian Tragedy to an end much sooner.

I’m sure all ZH-ers remember this: “On September 30, 2015, the Russian representative to the Joint Information Centre arrived at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and requested that any United States forces in the targeted area in Syria leave immediately. An hour later, the Russian aircraft based in the [Syrian] government-held territory began conducting airstrikes…”

It worked back then and it would work now, too.

The neocons want Hillary to win. They won’t hesitate shutting down our own plane and sacrificing an American pilot (most likely a highly decorated officer with a couple of kids and a pregnant wife at home) to provoke a confrontation with the Russians before the Elections. Then they’ll blame it on Trump’s bromance with Putin, and declare that only Hillary can save us all.

That’s why a mere announcement of the No-Fly Zone would make such a False Flag much more difficult to pull off.

Now, a serious question – is my Tin Foil Thong too tight? Does it make me look fat?   😉

Looney

froze25 Looney Sep 29, 2016 12:31 PM

Oh man, this isn’t good. We all were wondering what the October surprise would be. Now its the start of open conflict with the Russians over an area that we don’t have any threat to national security in. We should be backing Assad to begin with. Not these Radical Muslims known by our Main Stream Media as the „moderate Rebels“. THERE ARE NO MODERATE REBELS.

hedgeless_horseman froze25 Sep 29, 2016 12:34 PM

 

SEPT. 17, 2016

 

BEIRUT, Lebanon — The United States acknowledged on Saturday that its warplanes had carried out an airstrike in Syria that resulted in the deaths of Syrian government troops. American military officials said the pilots in the attack, in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, believed they were targeting the Islamic State.

 

Russia’s defense ministry said the United States attack had killed 62 Syrian troops, wounded 100 more and opened the way for an Islamic State offensive.

 

The episode comes at a time of escalating tensions in Syria. A partial cease-fire that started on Monday continues to steadily unravel after it was declared with much fanfare by the United States and Russia.

 

A statement by United States Central Command said that the planes stopped the attack after a warning from Russia that the strikes could be hitting Syrian troops.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/world/middleeast/us-airstrike-syrian-t…

 

 

MillionDollarBonus_ hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:36 PM

About time! Russia are directly interfering with our foreign policy objectives of brining peace and democracy to the middle east. Assad is a brutal dictator, and if Russia refuse to stop defending him against the Syrian revolutionaries, we will have no choice but to intervene with military force. We are willing to fight and die for democracy in the middle east. Are Russians willing to do the same to prop up a tyrannical dictator?

Why We Need Family Audits

hedgeless_horseman MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 12:38 PM

 

What does it tell us that both Trump and Clinton are silent on this?

 

…five of the questions I need to hear answers to before I would consider supporting Trump, or any politician.

 

2)  Do you consider the recent actions of the United States military in Ukraine, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, etc., to be violations of the War Powers Act?  If no, then why not?  If yes, then what actions would you take on this issue, if elected?

MillionDollarBonus_ hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:42 PM

America has zero tolerance for tyrants like Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad! We have restored peace and democracy in Iraq and Libya, and now we are going to do the same for Syria. We will continue our fight to liberate the middle east no matter what the cost. We will continue to provide a home for destitute refugees, no matter what the price. And if Russia does not back down, we will continue to escalate, even if it means nuclear war. Because no matter what the cost, saving just one innocent Syrian child is worth it.
Why We Need Family Audits

hedgeless_horseman MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 12:43 PM

 

As the Commanders-In-Chief rally their forces and prepare to face off…

WTFRLY hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:53 PM

U.S. Threatens to End Diplomatic Talks with Russia on Syria If Aleppo Offensive Continues

oops WTFRLY Sep 29, 2016 1:38 PM

The truth about the conflict with Russia NO ONE dares to reveal. https://goo.gl/nKJndT

Manthong oops Sep 29, 2016 1:53 PM

If these asshats in Washington do not change their tune about Assad, the Russians and our insane support of terrorists in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and our Mid-East client sate “ally’s”…

Well, the consequences are going to be dire for everyone, including them.

Most US Administration officials and State Department diplomats are as low or lower in intelligence and integrity than a money center or central bank banker.

Russian MoD: We’re ready for Syria dialogue with US, but threats against our military unacceptable

 

True Blue Manthong Sep 29, 2016 3:37 PM

We’re being led into war by intellectual midgets posessing the mentality and morality of kindergarten bullies… „Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself.“

Long ‚Vault Tech‘

KickIce WTFRLY Sep 29, 2016 4:19 PM

What is this Aleppo that you speak of and who is the leader of Russia?

– Gary Johnson

Hopeless for Change hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 12:56 PM

I googled „Punch Me Look“ and that picture of Oballah came up.  huh…

Mustafa Kemal hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 1:19 PM

Neither of the USA’s two tank teams in the NATO excercises managed to place in the top three.   Well, at least we have the F-35s.

Sokhmate Mustafa Kemal Sep 29, 2016 3:03 PM

F-35: The Flying Piano (R)

buttmint hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 1:33 PM

HH—great photos—I always enjoy your posts.

Obama „prepare military option?“ Are we all missing something? That is all USA has been doing to Suria—bombs away!

Only USA drops tonnage of bombs on defenseless people and calls it „diplomacy.“

HowdyDoody buttmint Sep 29, 2016 2:53 PM

The US has just blown up two bridges over the Euphrates near Deir ez Zor. These were used by civilians to get from one side of town to the other. it looks like the US is preparing to take over Syria east of the Euphrates (or so it hopes).

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/…

The Russians have anounced a major security alerting warning their citizens be prepared for some kind of terrorist attack.

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/29…

How many days to October?

 

 

 

Due North HowdyDoody Sep 29, 2016 4:33 PM

There might be a new interpretation of the term Red October after next month.

Blankone hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 1:51 PM

Yes, now all Putin needs to do is another photo opp with him riding a horse without a shirt.  Scary.  Don’t Poke the Bear!!  So Scary!!

Lets throw in a different reality.  Putin got his fighter jet shot down by Turkey – and could not respond.  Putin got his airliner taken down – and could only respond by limiting tourism (since reversed).  Turkey moved into Syria thus moving the border and taking control of some key area – Putin could not resist.  The US/NATO/Israel have conducted multiple air strikes against Syrian outposts, bases, troops and convoys.  Putin could not react or prevent this.  In the latest the attack that killed over 60 went on for over an hour.  Putin had aircraft in the area but the pleas for help from the Syrian troops were ignored.  No fighter response and no S400 fired – and Russia could watch their radar as the planes repeatedly attacked.  In fact the S400 has proven to be useless in stopping or punishing any of the air attacks. In fact to make attacks easier the US has been developing an airbase in NE Syria, and Putin can do nothing in response.

Putin has called TWO ceasefires that allowed ISIS to safely withdraw, rearm, reposistion and reattack later.  Both were called when the Syrian troops were on the move and had the advantage.  A betrayal by Putin.

Putin flew over half his fighter jets back to Russia.

No Fly Zone that people want to talk about.  It is much more likely it will be imposed BY NATO not by Putin.  When Putin first began an air campaign the conditions would have made imposing a NFZ very easy.  Yet Putin did not have the backbone to do so.  Very unlikely Putin will have the guts to do so now.

Previously Russia has admitted that when the US tells them areas the US ground troops then Russia stops air force activity in all those areas.  See how easy it is to push Putin around.

But you are very correct.  Putin does a much better job projecting a persona and taking photo opps.

king leon Blankone Sep 29, 2016 2:46 PM

If Obozo starts a shooting match with Russia in Syria then it will quickly turn into a side show, the main event will switch to mainland Europe. Russia will go through Europe like crap through a goose, Putin will give Teresa May a friendly wave from the French side of the English Channel

Blankone king leon Sep 29, 2016 2:59 PM

Putin will see to it that there is no fight.  Putin will back down or fly his planes around while NATO does whatever it choses to do.  I would like to feel sorry for Hezbollah, but after Iraq, Libya and others there is no excuse for not expecting to be betrayed by their „allie“ russia.

A likely outcome is that Russia has the naval base and some land along the western coast but is constantly under threat from ISIS.  And the poor Syrians must act like Putins expendable security force, otherwise Putin pulls his last remaining support and the Syrians are murdered.

king leon Blankone Sep 29, 2016 3:33 PM

I remember the last time Obozo decided on a no fly zone over Syria, Vlad turned up with a few ships , had a few wise words with Obozo and it was all sorted. I don’t know what Vlad actually said to Obozo but maybe the Captain of the USS Donald Cook may Know.

Blankone king leon Sep 29, 2016 5:54 PM

Well, that one slips my memory.  When did Obama declare a no-fly zone over Syria.  Got a time frame or preferably a link.  Because I am not aware of Syria ever stopping it’s jets from flying.  Obama’s admin. has been pushed to declare a no-fly zone but has refused.

It is easier to put boots on the ground and then inform Putin he cannot bomb that area.  As has been happening.

OverTheHedge king leon Sep 29, 2016 3:16 PM

Given that NATO doesn’t have the manpower or equipment to even begin a defence of Europe, it will go nuclear fairly quickly. I’m not convinced (or just wishing and hoping) that Russia benefits from taking Europe: what do they have that Russia needs – extra Muslims?

Russia has a better option in NOT cutting off the gas – keep the Europeans friendly, and try to prise them away from the lunatic yanks, who do appear to be going completely mad.

I’m just making guesses here – I have no idea  What the actual capabilities of each side are, either in Europe or Syria, but I think we might be about to find out. My only hope is that the Russians find a way to make the instigators of this mess accountable, rather than just  killing the cannon-fodder as per usual.

hedgeless_horseman OverTheHedge Sep 29, 2016 3:21 PM

 

My only hope is that the Russians find a way to make the instigators of this mess accountable, rather than just  killing the cannon-fodder as per usual.

Have you looked at the Saudi financial markets recently?

king leon OverTheHedge Sep 29, 2016 3:40 PM

If the US really wanted Nuclear we would have had it well before now . The US think they can gamble and throw Europe under the bus if everything goes tits up.

Manic by Proxy king leon Sep 29, 2016 5:01 PM

I believe that Europe has thrown themselves/itself under the bus…… repeatedly. And they are driving the bus. All the US is doing is making sure the bus has fuel and properly inflated tires.

Killdo Manic by Proxy Sep 29, 2016 5:51 PM

As a European I think you are sadly right – especially western Europeans (proud to be so politically correct, multicultural and faggotized)

Blankone OverTheHedge Sep 29, 2016 6:05 PM

When Putin is too fearful to stop what is going on in Syria (following Iraq and Libya and Yemen) why would anyone thing Putin has the guts to go after europe.  Putin has not even been able to deal with EUkraine.

But then it continues to look like Putin and the russian elite are just playing along with the NWO or Zionist’s game and are actually on the other side.  Ask Ghaddafi or Saddam about being set up and dumped by Russia.

And just how are you people proposing Putin is going to invade europe and overpower them with boots on the ground?  Are they going to drive into Germany?  Fly in paratroopers?  There are so many mssiles in europe any jets go down quickly and the tank buildup on the border would be long telegraphed.

DogSlime Blankone Sep 29, 2016 2:58 PM

So true.

We in the UK will gladly commit our phenomenal military power to assist the US in their righteous crusade and to share in their/our victory.

We have the courage, dignity and moral high ground that Russia and China are so lacking in.  Woe unto both of them if they toy with the US and its everlasting friend, Britannia!

They have neither the technology nor the courage nor the troops/equipment to fight against the world’s last remaining superpower.

We have already won.  A war would be a formality – a nuisance – if it happens, it happens and we will win with close to zero casualties.

Everyone knows that they should lie down on the ground in the event of a nuclear attack (thereby nullifying almost all the effects of a 1MT air/ground burst), so no-one need fear such an event if it comes to it.

FORWARD TO WAR!  FORWARD TO VICTORY!

Kayman DogSlime Sep 29, 2016 4:19 PM

Dog dribblings

Great Satire. Thanks.

K

Wile-E-Coyote DogSlime Sep 29, 2016 5:11 PM

Lying on the ground with an air burst just means you get toasted on one side.

Killdo DogSlime Sep 29, 2016 5:53 PM

it must be a holly war?

crossroaddemon Blankone Sep 29, 2016 4:19 PM

Why the downvotes, people? He’s right. Putin has been doing exactly this for years. Two possibilities: either he is not willing to risk a nuclear war and will therefore always back down, or (most likely) he works for the Rothchilds just like Obama. Either way this is a nothingburger.

August Blankone Sep 29, 2016 6:09 PM

FWIW the Russian military is largely defensive – not geared for prolonged force projection into nations not adjacent to Russia itself.

If Russia/Putin seem cautious, it’s because they are, and should be.  Let Team America fuck itself… it’s already doing a damn good job without any help from the Russians.  Too bad that so many non-combatants have to die… but no price is too high in the defense of freedom.

Bill of Rights hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 4:39 PM

That’s some true shit right there

Killdo hedgeless_horseman Sep 29, 2016 5:46 PM

so true

poeg MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 12:53 PM

If Uncle Sam was to kill enough brown kids, you could make a space available for BLM sycophants to relocate. Good plan.

 

Pussies kill people, Uncle Sam kills countries.

Killdo poeg Sep 29, 2016 5:53 PM

UNcle Satan kills his own people

Got The Wrong No MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 1:13 PM

You have to be a paid Left Wing Troll. You are Pathetic

MisterMousePotato Got The Wrong No Sep 29, 2016 1:27 PM

You’re new here, aren’t you?

Creative_Destruct MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 4:32 PM

Either the following is very subltle sarcasm or breathtaking stupidity:

“Regular family audits would ensure that parents are restricted to educating their children in a small domain of simple, non-political subjects, that don’t require a high level of education.”

Here come the thought police!!

We have restored peace and democracy in Iraq and Libya, and now we are going to do the same for Syria.”

Wow.  Just where the fuck is the current „peace and democracy“ in the middle of all the hellish carnage???

Yes. IF you are being sarcastic, kindly give a few /s indicators for us „slathering half wits“

 

Dugald MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 4:30 PM

 

MDB, do please put  /s   at the end, or you will have the slathering half wits in a furore of down arrows

Ahhhh, too late…..

Creative_Destruct Dugald Sep 29, 2016 4:37 PM

Gotta admit, this MDB dude is entertaining. Good „shtick“ if that’s what it actually is.

Yes, as you so kindly put it, a few /s WOULD clarify things for us „slathering half-wits.“

Such cues DO help when there is only written communication and no intonations, body language, or other verbal and non-verbal cues.

Even non- „slathering half-wits“ would find them useful.

OR is this guy just a stupid leftist troll?

NiggaPleeze MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 4:37 PM

Nigga, pleeze …..

You’re trolling is usually very amusing as it usually dead pans the Globalists‘ propaganda, but in this one you have departed from the script!

Socratic Dog MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 5:04 PM

Return to form, MDB.  And kudos for managing to sneak in „zero tolerance“.

Subliminal messenger MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 5:08 PM

US liberation of the Middle East like the illegitemate overthrowing of the prime minister of Iran?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-…

And for Syria: the US has no right to be there. Its presence is a military invasion, but I guess that’s just business as usual.

 

I understand that you’re prejudiced and ill-informed, but please make an effort before you throw up again on this site.

Sylvan MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 5:33 PM

Attacking Iraq and before that sanctions killd half milion children in iraq (madeline said it was worth) – do not tell me that ’saving just one innocent Syrian child is worth it‘ when on the other side murican medling in MENA coused milions of death people and migrant crisis in EU you HIPOCRIT! Then came Libya and Syria – whenever USofA exports democracy there are tones of death people – mostly inocent!

Sylvan MillionDollarBonus_ Sep 29, 2016 5:33 PM

Attacking Iraq and before that sanctions killd half milion children in iraq (madeline said it was worth) – do not tell me that ’saving just one innocent Syrian child is worth it‘ when on the other side murican medling in MENA coused milions of death people and migrant crisis in EU you HIPOCRIT! Then came Libya and Syria – whenever USofA exports democracy there are tones of death people – mostly inocent!

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